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Wed, 07th Oct 2009 | Fluffy | Created on: visionarydictionary.com | 2,447 Views, 1 Nod.

Another Fluffy Rant - Sorry ! (2009)

Firmly placed in the 'Just When You Thought The Country Couldn't Get Any Worse' file, we now hear that the Association of Prison Governors have suggested that we shouldn't be putting people in prison if they are sentenced to less than 12 months.!
They suggest that community based sentences are the better option and that these should be used more frequently. From personal bitter experience I can tell you that a large proportion of offenders sentenced to community sentences do not complete their sentences and wind up getting nicked for breaching their community orders. So what happens with such cases in the future?... we can't bang them up because they will get sentences of less than a year for the breach, and it's pointless extending their community orders when they have just ignored the last one! I despair ... whatever next - issue tickets to serial shoplifters rather than nicking them because its only property ..... oh, hang on..... that's what we're doing already in some towns isn't it..? As ever, your views please ... I need someone to let me know what is wrong with me for wanting villains to be in prison where they can't then re-offend.

                


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Thu, 08th Oct 2009
As others have said, public corporal punishment and humiliation is definitely the way forward and where prison is required, it should be prison. Get back to making number plates and pissing in pots - not TVs in every room. The bleeding heart liberals would never stand for it though, citing the Human Rights Act at every turn. Line these bastards up against wall first I say.
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Thu, 08th Oct 2009
Frigg! I forgot to spell-check again. The incident just made me think - that with number plate recognition giving almost instant results - it might be quite easy to incorporate the drivers name into a "SLOW DOWN 30mph" sign. Only low level, I know, but it might free up the officers to lift a baddie.
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Thu, 08th Oct 2009
I was at a military establishment last week. Having unloaded my car, I forgot that I was supposed to move the car immediately and went on with work inside the venue. Over the Tannoy and simultaniously on a large screen at one end of the room came the message "Mr Price, move your vehicle now! You are interfering with the work of Her Majesty's Navy". I was out of the door like a scalded cat with people cat calling and making the obvious hand gestures behind me. Humiliation would work with law abiding citizens who have made an error of judgement or refused to pay the pole tax. Sadly, most of the real bad guys are beyond this emotion long before they turn up on the police radar.
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Thu, 08th Oct 2009
Keep them in prison but make it work better. Reform and punishment, work for their keep while serving their sentence. I still think road gangs like in other countries would work well. Imagine the jobs in this country we could get done!
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
I love the bit about 'no point in humiliating a masochist'. "We're going to put you in these stocks and whip your back." "Ooh could you tweak my nipples while you're at it?"
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
Make the prisons harsher-no PS3 ETC AND double the sentences! Sevenhills, you make great points but let's do the counselling etc whilst they are inside out of harms way!
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
I'm not sure on the statistics for embarrassment for reform.
It would be interesting to see the information on any pilots for that scheme. I think different things work on different people. Some people require one thing, others need other types of dissuasion.
it would be interesting to see a psychological study done so that instead of the punishment fitting the crime, the punishment fit the criminal. Theres no point humiliating a masochist.
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
@BigCol. I agree with you. I would give my vote to anyone bringing in harsher deterrants. Just look at the 16 year old, who this week sexually abused a 5year old boy just a few weeks after some stupid judge let him roam free after abusing another child. Birch the judge as well for being too soft.
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
Check out Chris Chaplins 'Face of disgrace wall' great post on the site.
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
We've said it before on this site but, to my mind, public shaming and humiliation would be the best deterrent road to go down. At all levels; caning at school, public birching, stocks and even Deranged's knitting needles. It'd take a brave government to suggest it though.
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
You have two options: punishment or reform. If punishment worked then counties with harsher punishments than ours would have lower crime rates.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map...>>
This is not however the case.
So we need to see that prison is there to keep dangerous people away from regular liberal society.
Popping people in prison is not a deterrent for those open to crime. It's almost a badge in modern 'criminal youth' society. So I suppose what were really doing with prison is delaying the inevitable, or attempting reform.
But some judges clearly see the prision aspect of reform as unneeded in certain minor cases.

I do however wonder why 364 days of a sentence demands a different response to 366.
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Wed, 07th Oct 2009
I totaly agree Fluffy! It seems all topsy turvy to me, real criminals seem to slip through the system but my friend is incarcerated for 14 months for not declaring a small inheritance, he has been in agony for 15 years with arthritis and is now in prison in a wheelchair and needs an attendant to help him every day.
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